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	<title>Comments on: A Better Idea? Some Thoughts on Evolution, Fitness &amp; Creativity</title>
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	<description>Jer Thorp &#124; There is an art to evolution...</description>
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		<title>By: Neural Darwinism &#8211; An Idea Reborn? &#124; blprnt.blg</title>
		<link>http://blog.blprnt.com/blog/blprnt/got-a-better-idea-some-thoughts-on-evolution-fitness-creativity/comment-page-1#comment-2208</link>
		<dc:creator>Neural Darwinism &#8211; An Idea Reborn? &#124; blprnt.blg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 16:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mental environments for ideas to evolve within. I&#8217;ve written about some of these ideas in previous posts on this blog. Like the best theories, it also seemed to have a certain elegance to it &#8211; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mental environments for ideas to evolve within. I&#8217;ve written about some of these ideas in previous posts on this blog. Like the best theories, it also seemed to have a certain elegance to it &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Generative Art Is Not &#8230; Your Father’s Art Form. &#124; 100 Abandoned Artworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Generative Art Is Not &#8230; Your Father’s Art Form. &#124; 100 Abandoned Artworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] develop a sense of aesthetics (there has been plenty of work towards this aim within the field of evolutionary systems), it will never be the best division of labor in a human-machine creative partnership. If we need [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] develop a sense of aesthetics (there has been plenty of work towards this aim within the field of evolutionary systems), it will never be the best division of labor in a human-machine creative partnership. If we need [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 7 Days of Source Day #7: Variance &#124; blprnt.blg</title>
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		<dc:creator>7 Days of Source Day #7: Variance &#124; blprnt.blg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] modifications that they may not have tried themselves. This is a very direct application of the an Evolutionary Creative Process (ECP), which I&#8217;ve talked about before on this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] modifications that they may not have tried themselves. This is a very direct application of the an Evolutionary Creative Process (ECP), which I&#8217;ve talked about before on this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation. 

It looks like it is on Google Books - http://books.google.com/books?id=eUoolrxSFy0C&amp;dq=origin+of+wealth&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=szhuSvryGoegswPI89XtAg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5

Any economics book starting with a quote from Thomas Kuhn is enough to get me interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation. </p>
<p>It looks like it is on Google Books &#8211; <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eUoolrxSFy0C&#038;dq=origin+of+wealth&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=bn&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=szhuSvryGoegswPI89XtAg&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=5" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=eUoolrxSFy0C&#038;dq=origin+of+wealth&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=bn&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=szhuSvryGoegswPI89XtAg&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=5</a></p>
<p>Any economics book starting with a quote from Thomas Kuhn is enough to get me interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 02:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to read the &quot;Origin of Wealth&quot;, one of the best books I have read in years.  It will do wonders to advance your thinking about the evolution algorithm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to read the &#8220;Origin of Wealth&#8221;, one of the best books I have read in years.  It will do wonders to advance your thinking about the evolution algorithm</p>
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		<title>By: blprnt</title>
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		<dc:creator>blprnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Combining GAs and neural nets is something that has worked for others in the past - specifically I&#039;m thinking about Mario Klingemann&#039;s Blind Sketchmaker project (&lt;a href=&quot;http://lectures.quasimondo.com/the_blind_sketchmaker/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lectures.quasimondo.com/the_blind_sketch...&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most aesthetic fitness assessment that I have seen is comparative, and is obviously influenced by what kinds of criteria you catalog the original images (or sounds, etc) by. I am not sure that computers are good enough at this yet to make this kind of a process better than one that involved human judgement. A lot of projects have allowed for this and used crowd-sourcing to have humans rate fitness within a population - this seems like a very good approach. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Theo Jansen&#039;s creations are incredible - some of the most inspiring things I have ever seen. I would love to see them in person!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Combining GAs and neural nets is something that has worked for others in the past &#8211; specifically I&#39;m thinking about Mario Klingemann&#39;s Blind Sketchmaker project (<a href="http://lectures.quasimondo.com/the_blind_sketchmaker/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://lectures.quasimondo.com/the_blind_sketch&#8230;</a>). </p>
<p>Most aesthetic fitness assessment that I have seen is comparative, and is obviously influenced by what kinds of criteria you catalog the original images (or sounds, etc) by. I am not sure that computers are good enough at this yet to make this kind of a process better than one that involved human judgement. A lot of projects have allowed for this and used crowd-sourcing to have humans rate fitness within a population &#8211; this seems like a very good approach. </p>
<p>Theo Jansen&#39;s creations are incredible &#8211; some of the most inspiring things I have ever seen. I would love to see them in person!</p>
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		<title>By: inspired12</title>
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		<dc:creator>inspired12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading about using multiple types of AI as a way to reach better results. You kind of mention this in the way you describe aesthetic judgments as an additional tool for the &quot;brute&quot; genetic algorithms... what about using neural nets for judging aesthetics and GA for surfing the fitness landscape? &lt;br&gt;I am excited to hear about your new project, AI use in design is an intense prospect... Im sure you have heard of the Theo Jansen? thanks for the food for thought</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading about using multiple types of AI as a way to reach better results. You kind of mention this in the way you describe aesthetic judgments as an additional tool for the &#8220;brute&#8221; genetic algorithms&#8230; what about using neural nets for judging aesthetics and GA for surfing the fitness landscape? <br />I am excited to hear about your new project, AI use in design is an intense prospect&#8230; Im sure you have heard of the Theo Jansen? thanks for the food for thought</p>
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